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# Expedition 33: Art, Grief, and Sub-Creation (Mythic Mind Games, ep. 41)
- URL: https://mythicmindfellowship.com/expedition-33-art-grief-and-sub-creation-mythic-mind-games-ep-41/
- Published: 2026-02-27T14:00:00.000Z
- Updated: 2026-10-23T04:16:37.000Z
- Author: Andrew Snyder

Mythic Mind GamesEpisode 41

# Expedition 33: Art, Grief, and Sub-Creation (Mythic Mind Games, ep. 41)

Dr. Andrew Snyder and the Fellowship

27 February 2026

[Watch on YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfOFa9eOnsg&ref=mythicmindfellowship.com)

## In this episode

In this Mythic Mind Games conversation, the Fellowship takes up Clair Obscur: Expedition 33: the artistic value of video games and of this game in particular, where it directs its players, and which ending might be called the “best.”

They also ask how to rank value in sub-created worlds, how the game frames the relationship between art and grief and what a healthy relationship looks like, and what light Tolkien’s Leaf by Niggle can shed on the ideas the game raises.

### People

**Dr. Andrew Snyder**Host

**Fellowship guests**Panel

### Key themes

- The artistic value of video games
- Which ending is the best one
- Ranking value in sub-created worlds
- Art and grief
- Tolkien’s Leaf by Niggle

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